Napoleon Series Archive 2009

Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
In Response To: Re: Cannister and Hail Shot ()

Dear Stuart
Sperical Case [Shrapnell] was a cast iron shell filled with iron balls with a small bursting charge that was supposed to be ignited by a fuse. Alas there were a number of premature detonations due to the friction of the balls and faulty fuses. This was only solved by Boxer in the 1850s. Spherical Case was excellent against targets at known distance and especially defensively. Spherical case only exploded when at the distance required if there was no problem with the fuse.

"So why would a cannister round have burst?"
This has been the discussion. It has been concluded that cannister of thick tin plate [French / Gribeauval Design] can did not burst in the gun tube but split in flight or less likely upon hitting the ground. The balls being distributed by the spinning of the cannister [tumbling as it is not ballistically stable]. The bottom of the tin being heated by the charge and so the solder fails and then along the seams. The balls had enough kinetic energy to richochet to some distance again depending upon the ground.

This explanation I think holds the key to the objection of cannister being rather hit and miss. It was not always the horrendous killer as given in wargames rules. Now the construction of other cannister was different and there may be the action of base plate acting as a piston to expell the contents of the tin hence a shorter range for this form.

Cannister made up of balls in a cloth bag had a very small range as the container was consumed before leaving the barrel as explained by De Scheel (1800; p78). This could be called light graprshot as it used 36x 1.5in balls for the 12-pdr. It should not be confused with Naval Grapeshot of 9 balls e.g. 9x 3-pdr shot for a 24-pdr.

It is a very complex subject but I think there is a much better understanding now of the process. I hope that has answered the question.

Stephen

Messages In This Thread

Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers - for Kevin to answer
Re: Howitzers
Ere wie ere toekomt
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister *LINK*
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Case Shot
Re: Case Shot
Re: Case Shot
Re: Case Shot
Re: Case Shot
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister *LINK*
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Prussian Ordnance and Artillery
Re: Prussian Ordnance and Artillery
Prussian Ordnance not of the 7YW
Re: Prussian Ordnance not of the 7YW
Re: Prussian Ordnance not of the 7YW
Re: Prussian Ordnance not of the 7YW
Line or Guard Artillery
Re: Line or Guard Artillery
French artillery tactical doctrine
Re: French artillery tactical doctrine
Re: French artillery tactical doctrine
French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Doctrine vs Common Practice
Re: Doctrine vs Common Practice
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Materials by Hermann von Müller.
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica *LINK*
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Arrows in the Quiver
Friedland, 1807 by Maj. A. F. Becke, RA.
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
Re: French Artillery Commanders and Tactica
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
Re: French artillery tactical doctrine
Re: French artillery tactical doctrine
The British gunner by J. Morton Spearman.
Re: The British gunner by J. Morton Spearm
Re: The British gunner by J. Morton Spearm
Re: The British gunner by J. Morton Spearm
Re: The British gunner by J. Morton Spearm
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Re: Howitzers and Canister
The Null Hypothesis
Re: The Null Hypothesis
Re: Howitzers and Canister
Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Different constructions of cannister
Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Sources
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Which particular design???
M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Trick Phrase. :\
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
System AnXI
Re: System AnXI
Re: System AnXI
Re: System AnXI
French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
M1775 Garrison Guns
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Asked and Answered...
Re: Asked and Answered...
Re: Asked and Answered...
Superiority?????
Re: Superiority?????
Re: Superiority?????
Techology changes over 50 years
Re: Techology changes over 50 years
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
So 25 is better than 20 interesting *NM*
Conundrums...
Re: Conundrums...
Re: Conundrums...
Quoting from Adye 1801
Re: Quoting from Adye 1801
Re: Quoting from Adye 1801
Re: Conundrums...
Re: Conundrums...
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: French Artillery of 1824
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Re: M1765 Cannister from De Scheel
Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Problems of translation
Re: Problems of translation
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Thank you for this summary.
Re: Thank you for this summary.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
White metal = tinned iron
Re: White metal = tinned iron
Re: White metal = tinned iron
Re: White metal = tinned iron
Re: White metal = tinned iron
Dollezcek (1872)
Things melt especially when heated. *LINK*
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Things melt especially when heated.
Re: Which particular design???
French Experimental Design
Re: French Experimental Design
Re: French Experimental Design
Re: Which particular design???
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Re: Canister
Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Forming square from column
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Re: Guard infantry operated in 8 pelotons
Ducking a Canister Can
Re: Ducking a Canister Can
Re: Ducking a Canister Can
Re: Ducking a Canister Can
Re: Ducking a Canister Can
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Quote from De Scheel (1800)
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot *LINK*
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Re: Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Re: Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Re: Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Kartätschkugeln *LINK*
Re: Kartätschkugeln
Re: Kartätschkugeln
Light and Heavy Cannister
Re: Light and Heavy Cannister
Re: Light and Heavy Cannister
Re: Light and Heavy Cannister *LINK*
Re: Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Re: Cannister and Hail Shot
Canister = basket
Re: Canister = basket
On the Use of Field Artillery on Service.
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Re: Howitzers
Spherical Case [Shrapnell]
Re: Howitzers