Napoleon Series Archive 2009

Re: Russian Artillery
In Response To: Russian Artillery ()

Kevin wrote:

Who is Alexander K? My bookie... No really, I meant to type Alexander M as in Mikaberidze and his book on Borodino--but missed.

Regarding Russian artillery, have you noted how artillery-heavy the Russian field armies were? Further, based on the lack of education of Russian artillery officers in general, the lack of senior Russian artillery commanders who were actually artillerymen, the lack of realistic field training for a large part of the period, and the general employment of Russian artillery in the field, it seems to me to be a logical conclusion that Russian gunnery was not up to western standards during the period 1791-1815. The portions of the Zhmodikovs' books on Russian tactics dealing with artillery tend to confirm that conclusion.

Kevin:
I did notice all that, having read your posts as well as the books you and others have mentioned. I wasn't asking for a logical conclusion, though such a conclusion is certainly reasonable. I was asking if you had read any statements by the Russians themselves coming to such conclusions. That's all. No big deal, yes or no. There was nothing more that simple curiosity.

You know, saying "Да, конечно, больше артиллерии - решение!" Do they say somewhere: "The solution to Inferior training and equipment is more artillery." Now, the Russians certainly wouldn't go around advertising that conclusion, but considering the amount of money, time and effort that had to be expended creating artillery companies 50% bigger than any other western country, a few military men might mention a rationale or two to support the effort. They would have to admit to themselves that their artillery arm was inferior to the West, and that specific improvements weren't going to build equity.

And speaking of logical conclusions, I can't escape the conclusion that simply establishing or buying better training for fewer men, manning eight gun batteries instead, or simply copying western technology outright would have been far cheaper than casting 50% more tubes and then constructing carriages and caissons for them, finding the horses and men to move them, let alone training more inferior artillerymen.

Now, because I don't necessarily know what was common sense or constituted a 'logical conclusion' to Russian Military men or armament engineers two hundred years ago, my logical conclusion might just be so much wet kibbles.

Your thinking was very clear, well supported, and reasonable. I wanted to know what the Russians were thinking. That's why I asked.

Best Regards,

Bill H.

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