But that still begs the question: Why did N suck the life out of his own creation? You are saying yourself that if Westphalia had a stronger ruler that could stick up to N it may have survived. (Although that did not work w Holland) So in other words you are saying that N sucked the life out of Westphalia and that it died because of him. If I was trying to set up something as an example for the rest of the world why would I treat my new revolutionary creation like garbage? It just does not add up especially if my goal is for the rest of the region to follow suit.